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		<title>Comment on 1 man&#8217;s statewide ballot picks by bi</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/09/18/1-mans-statewide-ballot-picks/#comment-19</link>
		<author>bi</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 03:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/09/18/1-mans-statewide-ballot-picks/#comment-19</guid>
		<description>The goal of the tax is laudable, however, a close reading of the text of the bill reveals only a general directive for spending, and escape clauses that allow for spending to be redirected.  You wouldn't trust a private sector party with your money on those terms. It amazes me that people throw money at the government with those kinds of caveats and expect a positive outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The goal of the tax is laudable, however, a close reading of the text of the bill reveals only a general directive for spending, and escape clauses that allow for spending to be redirected.  You wouldn&#8217;t trust a private sector party with your money on those terms. It amazes me that people throw money at the government with those kinds of caveats and expect a positive outcome.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1 man&#8217;s statewide ballot picks by diannedmc</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/09/18/1-mans-statewide-ballot-picks/#comment-18</link>
		<author>diannedmc</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/09/18/1-mans-statewide-ballot-picks/#comment-18</guid>
		<description>I would like to comment on Amendment 51, which I support.  As a parent of an adult child with a disability, I actively participated in developing the wording of this initiative.  There was a great deal of time spent making sure that, contrary to your statement, the funding would be channeled directly to services for our children through the state mandated Community Centered Boards, which are the conduits for distributing the funding for the services needed.  There are 12,000 people on waiting lists who are qualified by the state to receive the services.  Colorado is 46th in the nation for fiscal services for people with developmental disabilities.  The tax increase would be 2 cents on $10, a small price to pay to meet the needs of people, who through no fault of their own, are waiting.  This is a win-win situation for Colorado.  I urge you to look more closely at your statement on Amendment 51.  Check out endcoloradowaitlist.org.  There is no organized opposition to this amendment, it is strictly a grassroots initiative, and we ask you to Vote YES on 51.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to comment on Amendment 51, which I support.  As a parent of an adult child with a disability, I actively participated in developing the wording of this initiative.  There was a great deal of time spent making sure that, contrary to your statement, the funding would be channeled directly to services for our children through the state mandated Community Centered Boards, which are the conduits for distributing the funding for the services needed.  There are 12,000 people on waiting lists who are qualified by the state to receive the services.  Colorado is 46th in the nation for fiscal services for people with developmental disabilities.  The tax increase would be 2 cents on $10, a small price to pay to meet the needs of people, who through no fault of their own, are waiting.  This is a win-win situation for Colorado.  I urge you to look more closely at your statement on Amendment 51.  Check out endcoloradowaitlist.org.  There is no organized opposition to this amendment, it is strictly a grassroots initiative, and we ask you to Vote YES on 51.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Congress = OPEC by bi</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/07/02/congress-opec/#comment-17</link>
		<author>bi</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/07/02/congress-opec/#comment-17</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nice bit of ad hominem, innuendo and insult Robert.  Not persuasive, but lots of emotion there.  You protest entirely too much.  I don't see you as evil, or myself as an objectivist or libertarian.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought you were more balanced early in the race, but your finding conspiracies of late around every corner, your endorsement of regulatory planning, your apparent confusion between planning and zoning, and your mean tone, these developments have disillusioned me.  As for your statement about "rational individualism and laissez-faire capitalism" not working in the real world, look around you.  Our country was built by those forces.  The industrial revolution, the explosion of wealth in America, our standard of living, these did not come from a command economy, from planners, from regulators, from the state, or from the left.  They came from the unleashing of freedom under the rule of law.  I know that's a hard one for Democrats to understand because y'all use the rule of law to control people.  But the rule of law in America used to be more about equal opportunity than about equal outcome.  People were much more free to create, invent, engage, and even fail, without planning overlords to regulate things.  I'd like to see the pendulum swing back in that direction because I believe free people are happier and create more, not only for their own benefit, but for the mutual benefit of everyone else too.  The left seem to have a deep mistrust of free people, and frankly, where that comes from mystifies me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And on your point about conversation and dialog, I've posted on this site everything you have written to me about things on this site, along with my responses.  On Abe21, however, I find no contrary views.  Am I to conclude that "A Better Elbert" is an Elbert without dissent? - a strange prescription from the party that holds dissent to be one of the highest forms of patriotism.  I know that 1st Amendment free speech rights can only be enforced against the government, but for private publishers such as yourself, it looks a little cultish to only present one side to matters.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice bit of ad hominem, innuendo and insult Robert.  Not persuasive, but lots of emotion there.  You protest entirely too much.  I don&#8217;t see you as evil, or myself as an objectivist or libertarian.  </p>
<p>I thought you were more balanced early in the race, but your finding conspiracies of late around every corner, your endorsement of regulatory planning, your apparent confusion between planning and zoning, and your mean tone, these developments have disillusioned me.  As for your statement about &#8220;rational individualism and laissez-faire capitalism&#8221; not working in the real world, look around you.  Our country was built by those forces.  The industrial revolution, the explosion of wealth in America, our standard of living, these did not come from a command economy, from planners, from regulators, from the state, or from the left.  They came from the unleashing of freedom under the rule of law.  I know that&#8217;s a hard one for Democrats to understand because y&#8217;all use the rule of law to control people.  But the rule of law in America used to be more about equal opportunity than about equal outcome.  People were much more free to create, invent, engage, and even fail, without planning overlords to regulate things.  I&#8217;d like to see the pendulum swing back in that direction because I believe free people are happier and create more, not only for their own benefit, but for the mutual benefit of everyone else too.  The left seem to have a deep mistrust of free people, and frankly, where that comes from mystifies me.</p>
<p>And on your point about conversation and dialog, I&#8217;ve posted on this site everything you have written to me about things on this site, along with my responses.  On Abe21, however, I find no contrary views.  Am I to conclude that &#8220;A Better Elbert&#8221; is an Elbert without dissent? - a strange prescription from the party that holds dissent to be one of the highest forms of patriotism.  I know that 1st Amendment free speech rights can only be enforced against the government, but for private publishers such as yourself, it looks a little cultish to only present one side to matters.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Congress = OPEC by Robert Thomasson</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/07/02/congress-opec/#comment-16</link>
		<author>Robert Thomasson</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/07/02/congress-opec/#comment-16</guid>
		<description>ACWWA would love to have Elbert County's water.  Their director, Gary Atkin said that.  Being desirous of the water and being able to develop the infrastructure for groundwater so that their return makes sense is something that ACWWA has changed its mind about.  They paid $12,000,000 to Rick Hunt and now want to sell it back.  I think laying out that kind of cash is pretty indicative of desire.

The definition of cabal is that it is a secretive clique, usually political in nature.  Are you really suggesting that their were no politicians at the ACWWA meetings?  Are you trying to suggest that a meeting with a dozen or so developers with designs on water for their business operations where no one from the ECWAB was invited does not qualify as secretive?  

You do not have all of the facts at your disposal. Where were you when Metli denied that these meetings occured?  I was in the room.  I have talked to numerous participants who were in those meetings, have you?  If you had you would know that not everyone who was there wanted to be involved because they knew it would breech the public's trust level.

Then there is your veiled threat that I could be sued silly.  Everyone knows that you feature yourself as a legal eagle.  If it is a warning, thanks for the tip.  If it is you flexing your brilliant legal skills...cool.  It's nice you have a hobby.

Brooks, just admit it, you are angry because I think the master plan should be regulatory.  You gave me a tepid endorsement, but now you see me as an evil person who is after all of your rights.  Don't worry, I know you will be voting for Shipper or Andy.  I think zoning makes sense.  I do not want to privatize everything under the sun. Ayn Rand was an idiot.  Rand advocated rational individualism and laissez-faire capitalism, neither of which work in the real world.

Now that I have said those things you can be guilt free as you vote for those Republicans that have your best interests at heart.  You and Andy and Del and J.H. and any other person you desire can sit in a coffee house and discuss The Fountainhead.

I don't care.  I am done with your intellectual sniper fire.  You don't want a debate.  You just want conversion.  Not in this life time because your world lives by the rule that those that have are okay, and those who don't are worthless annoyances.  Too stark for me.  Stop reading my site if it is such crap.

Robert Thomasson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACWWA would love to have Elbert County&#8217;s water.  Their director, Gary Atkin said that.  Being desirous of the water and being able to develop the infrastructure for groundwater so that their return makes sense is something that ACWWA has changed its mind about.  They paid $12,000,000 to Rick Hunt and now want to sell it back.  I think laying out that kind of cash is pretty indicative of desire.</p>
<p>The definition of cabal is that it is a secretive clique, usually political in nature.  Are you really suggesting that their were no politicians at the ACWWA meetings?  Are you trying to suggest that a meeting with a dozen or so developers with designs on water for their business operations where no one from the ECWAB was invited does not qualify as secretive?  </p>
<p>You do not have all of the facts at your disposal. Where were you when Metli denied that these meetings occured?  I was in the room.  I have talked to numerous participants who were in those meetings, have you?  If you had you would know that not everyone who was there wanted to be involved because they knew it would breech the public&#8217;s trust level.</p>
<p>Then there is your veiled threat that I could be sued silly.  Everyone knows that you feature yourself as a legal eagle.  If it is a warning, thanks for the tip.  If it is you flexing your brilliant legal skills&#8230;cool.  It&#8217;s nice you have a hobby.</p>
<p>Brooks, just admit it, you are angry because I think the master plan should be regulatory.  You gave me a tepid endorsement, but now you see me as an evil person who is after all of your rights.  Don&#8217;t worry, I know you will be voting for Shipper or Andy.  I think zoning makes sense.  I do not want to privatize everything under the sun. Ayn Rand was an idiot.  Rand advocated rational individualism and laissez-faire capitalism, neither of which work in the real world.</p>
<p>Now that I have said those things you can be guilt free as you vote for those Republicans that have your best interests at heart.  You and Andy and Del and J.H. and any other person you desire can sit in a coffee house and discuss The Fountainhead.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care.  I am done with your intellectual sniper fire.  You don&#8217;t want a debate.  You just want conversion.  Not in this life time because your world lives by the rule that those that have are okay, and those who don&#8217;t are worthless annoyances.  Too stark for me.  Stop reading my site if it is such crap.</p>
<p>Robert Thomasson</p>
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		<title>Comment on Whose Legacy? by bi</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/06/22/a-legacy-for-no-one/#comment-15</link>
		<author>bi</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/06/22/a-legacy-for-no-one/#comment-15</guid>
		<description>“Only Patty Sward and I stood up for the notion that the Master Plan could or should be regulatory.”

“I will be giving as much as I can afford to stop this myth that a Master Plan has to be advisory.”

See: http://elbertcounty.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/the-peoples-master-plan.jpg

(This is why I include source documents in my blog.)

Making the Master Plan regulatory is the opposite of "empowering people to protect their own land and their own property rights."  Regulations don't empower people; regulations empower the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Only Patty Sward and I stood up for the notion that the Master Plan could or should be regulatory.”</p>
<p>“I will be giving as much as I can afford to stop this myth that a Master Plan has to be advisory.”</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://elbertcounty.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/the-peoples-master-plan.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://elbertcounty.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/the-peoples-master-plan.jpg</a></p>
<p>(This is why I include source documents in my blog.)</p>
<p>Making the Master Plan regulatory is the opposite of &#8220;empowering people to protect their own land and their own property rights.&#8221;  Regulations don&#8217;t empower people; regulations empower the state.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Whose Legacy? by Robert Thomasson</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/06/22/a-legacy-for-no-one/#comment-14</link>
		<author>Robert Thomasson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/06/22/a-legacy-for-no-one/#comment-14</guid>
		<description>You must be kidding.  You read my article, misquoted what I said and then have the gall to interpret it as me wanting to tie up other people's property.  The quote was, "The pictures are not spectacular, but the point is
that Elbert County is an unspoiled gem where
wildlife is still in abundance. It needs to be
protected. Wasting money, inappropriate use of
county resources and greed are plaguing our
county. The argument is going to be made that the
only way that we can solve our financial problems
is to turn Elbert County into Aurora. Bring on the
roofs!"  Brooks, I taught children for twenty-five  years.  I ran an outdoor education program for twelve years of those and believe me, the kids got to be out in the middle of the real world.  You're tilting at windmills Mr. Quixote.  I want to empower people to protect their own land and their own property rights. You are scared to death that liberals are lurking behind every tree or shrub just licking their chops at the thought of taking away your stuff.  Every written line is not an attack on your libertarian dream. Lighten up.

Robert Thomasson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must be kidding.  You read my article, misquoted what I said and then have the gall to interpret it as me wanting to tie up other people&#8217;s property.  The quote was, &#8220;The pictures are not spectacular, but the point is<br />
that Elbert County is an unspoiled gem where<br />
wildlife is still in abundance. It needs to be<br />
protected. Wasting money, inappropriate use of<br />
county resources and greed are plaguing our<br />
county. The argument is going to be made that the<br />
only way that we can solve our financial problems<br />
is to turn Elbert County into Aurora. Bring on the<br />
roofs!&#8221;  Brooks, I taught children for twenty-five  years.  I ran an outdoor education program for twelve years of those and believe me, the kids got to be out in the middle of the real world.  You&#8217;re tilting at windmills Mr. Quixote.  I want to empower people to protect their own land and their own property rights. You are scared to death that liberals are lurking behind every tree or shrub just licking their chops at the thought of taking away your stuff.  Every written line is not an attack on your libertarian dream. Lighten up.</p>
<p>Robert Thomasson</p>
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		<title>Comment on buyers remorse by bi</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/03/01/buyers-remorse/#comment-10</link>
		<author>bi</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/03/01/buyers-remorse/#comment-10</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;People may be dying ON poorly maintained roads, but if people are dying BECAUSE OF poorly maintained roads, then the proof ought to be available and I'd like to see it.  I'd like to also see how the tax increase will mitigate conditions that, apparently, somehow, everybody just knows cause deaths.  That's all I ever expected out of this boondoggle and my expectation remains.  Show me the evidence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some time back I posted a matrix from county road&#038;bridge that ranked roads according to traffic load.  It is my understanding that road maintenance is allocated according to this analysis.   See http://elbertcounty.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/elbert-county-traffic-counts.pdf .  I didn’t find County Rd. 105 ranked on the list. &lt;/p&gt;  
&lt;p&gt;I lost my lawsuit because a technicality overcame a large preponderance of evidence to the contrary.  I would make the same argument again in a heartbeat.  Public contractors in bed with the county paid for the flyers.  It was a ridiculously cheap investment for them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No question, in Elbert County it's Republicans who grew government, grew taxes, and grew government spending, though you have to admit, those are traditionally Democratic traits.  But you also know that political party is no indication of political philosophy around here.  It has been a long time since the fiscal conservatism of a Kennedy (as in JFK) Democrat has been seen in the land.  Maybe you can change that in your bid for commissioner.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I sincerely hope the following comment does not damage your run for office, but I hope your candidacy represents a move toward a viable two-party system in Elbert County.  I hope your party will attract the cadre of liberals currently masquerading as Republicans, and that important debates for issues and candidates will be taken out of the control of the current single-party farce.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are mistaken if you think I have any friends left at Republican headquarters, or the directorships of our infamous local quasi-governmental non-profits.  If I ever did, those ships have certainly sailed.  Purveyors of the status quo like their ability to control the options ultimately presented to voters, be it issue or candidate.  It's basically a Stalinist approach without the guns.  No.  They definitely don't like me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where are the District 2 candidates?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People may be dying ON poorly maintained roads, but if people are dying BECAUSE OF poorly maintained roads, then the proof ought to be available and I&#8217;d like to see it.  I&#8217;d like to also see how the tax increase will mitigate conditions that, apparently, somehow, everybody just knows cause deaths.  That&#8217;s all I ever expected out of this boondoggle and my expectation remains.  Show me the evidence.</p>
<p>Some time back I posted a matrix from county road&#038;bridge that ranked roads according to traffic load.  It is my understanding that road maintenance is allocated according to this analysis.   See <a href="http://elbertcounty.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/elbert-county-traffic-counts.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://elbertcounty.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/elbert-county-traffic-counts.pdf</a> .  I didn’t find County Rd. 105 ranked on the list. </p>
<p>I lost my lawsuit because a technicality overcame a large preponderance of evidence to the contrary.  I would make the same argument again in a heartbeat.  Public contractors in bed with the county paid for the flyers.  It was a ridiculously cheap investment for them.</p>
<p>No question, in Elbert County it&#8217;s Republicans who grew government, grew taxes, and grew government spending, though you have to admit, those are traditionally Democratic traits.  But you also know that political party is no indication of political philosophy around here.  It has been a long time since the fiscal conservatism of a Kennedy (as in JFK) Democrat has been seen in the land.  Maybe you can change that in your bid for commissioner.</p>
<p>I sincerely hope the following comment does not damage your run for office, but I hope your candidacy represents a move toward a viable two-party system in Elbert County.  I hope your party will attract the cadre of liberals currently masquerading as Republicans, and that important debates for issues and candidates will be taken out of the control of the current single-party farce.</p>
<p>You are mistaken if you think I have any friends left at Republican headquarters, or the directorships of our infamous local quasi-governmental non-profits.  If I ever did, those ships have certainly sailed.  Purveyors of the status quo like their ability to control the options ultimately presented to voters, be it issue or candidate.  It&#8217;s basically a Stalinist approach without the guns.  No.  They definitely don&#8217;t like me.</p>
<p>Where are the District 2 candidates?</p>
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		<title>Comment on buyers remorse by Robert Thomasson</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/03/01/buyers-remorse/#comment-9</link>
		<author>Robert Thomasson</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2008/03/01/buyers-remorse/#comment-9</guid>
		<description>Thank you for reading abe21.net Brooks.  You probably need to read it a little closer in order to  fully understand the concept behind what we actually said.  I think you need to get your mind around the difference between a "ringing" endorsement and a "tepid" endorsement. That was the term we used. I clearly articulated the possibility that the current administration could abuse the tax increase.  I personally voted against the measure, but as the ECN is always a week behind, was unable to withdraw even the "tepid" version.  I am flattered that you think that we had the power to flip election.  I guess when you were unable to win the lawsuit that you needed a scapegoat.  We are glad to accept your endorsement of power.  I really think you do not understand just how much money it has taken to do the work out on these roads that lead to one commissioner's house past a possible future commissioner's house and development.  Perhaps you  are satisfied with wasting money, but I do not think so.  Nope, you are too smart for that.  I think if you check, you will find that this road work has been going on for a period of time that predates 1B.  People are dying on poorly maintained roads, Brooks and you want to blame a Democrat.  That is a tough sell in a county where the Republicans have been in control for decades.   The measure that drives you so crazy was dreamed up by your friends over at Republican headquarters to benefit the few.  It did not have to be that way, but if it did not turn out the way you wanted it to, then take it up with Charles and his cronies.  They did not get a dime from me.  Somebody paid for that flyer and it wasn't the Dems.  Misplaced anger.  Misplaced blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for reading abe21.net Brooks.  You probably need to read it a little closer in order to  fully understand the concept behind what we actually said.  I think you need to get your mind around the difference between a &#8220;ringing&#8221; endorsement and a &#8220;tepid&#8221; endorsement. That was the term we used. I clearly articulated the possibility that the current administration could abuse the tax increase.  I personally voted against the measure, but as the ECN is always a week behind, was unable to withdraw even the &#8220;tepid&#8221; version.  I am flattered that you think that we had the power to flip election.  I guess when you were unable to win the lawsuit that you needed a scapegoat.  We are glad to accept your endorsement of power.  I really think you do not understand just how much money it has taken to do the work out on these roads that lead to one commissioner&#8217;s house past a possible future commissioner&#8217;s house and development.  Perhaps you  are satisfied with wasting money, but I do not think so.  Nope, you are too smart for that.  I think if you check, you will find that this road work has been going on for a period of time that predates 1B.  People are dying on poorly maintained roads, Brooks and you want to blame a Democrat.  That is a tough sell in a county where the Republicans have been in control for decades.   The measure that drives you so crazy was dreamed up by your friends over at Republican headquarters to benefit the few.  It did not have to be that way, but if it did not turn out the way you wanted it to, then take it up with Charles and his cronies.  They did not get a dime from me.  Somebody paid for that flyer and it wasn&#8217;t the Dems.  Misplaced anger.  Misplaced blame.</p>
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		<title>Comment on cognitive dissonance by bi</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/08/28/cognitive-dissonance/#comment-8</link>
		<author>bi</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 23:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/08/28/cognitive-dissonance/#comment-8</guid>
		<description>Dear Robert,
I used the word "chump" to characterize your opinion of the commissioners, not you.  I know it's difficult for a leftist to distinguish the argument from the man, but, well, just keep working on that.  

I stand by my assessment that you are a leftist with an agenda.  Only you can say whether that is a positive or negative assessment, though I don't think of it in those terms.  For example, I'm a conservative with an agenda.  Big deal.

I complained to the Secretary of State over what I believe to be ECDC electioneering activities contrary to Colorado statute.  You mischaracterized my complaint.

On open meetings and agendas, I expect the BOCC is within the letter of the law.  If you think the BOCC agendas should be more specific, then lobby for that change.  Complaining, after the fact, that an agenda item wasn't more specific with regard to a particular issue is complaining about water under the bridge.  

On property rights and the TRW agenda, I find your stance for your own property rights to be inconsistent with your stance on other people's property rights.  You trot out 5th Amendment takings talk when it suits you but ignore the 5th Am. when it comes to planning and zoning.  The Constitution isn't situational.  It applies to all of us all of the time and you can't cherry pick circumstances to apply it.

Last I looked you were a Democrat in favor of collecting the 1B sales and use tax and spending it on roads.  Difficult as it is to conceive of how someone could make the leap to "tax and spend Democrat" from those facts, color me guilty on that conclusion.

On "apolitical," you changed your web page to read "nonpartisan."  This is a distinction without a difference and the criticism stands.  If the shoe fits, wear it proudly.      

Our "system of government" is not founded on "argumentum ad ignorantium" or any other logical fallacy.  It is founded on the Common Law, on premises contained within the Declaration of Independence, and the system of legalities outlined in the Constitution.  "Innocent until proven guilty" refers to the burden of proof in criminal procedure and it makes a hell of a lot more sense than the French, and many other legal systems' principal of "guilty until proven innocent."  

On the allegation that I am "often guilty of appealing to authority," such appeals are only a fallacy when the authority is not in fact a governing authority for the matter.  I don't believe I cite non-governing authorities but in any case, you'll need to flesh out this allegation with some examples before I can respond in substance.

Dialog is not per se productive.  To be productive each person so engaged must substantively respond to what the other party represents, and then advance the conversation in a reasonable direction.  Mouthing words at another party without due diligence to the conversation amounts to propagandizing. 

While you're certainly free to characterize my comments as "sniping, put downs, cynicism, ideological rants, incongruous, and cognitively deficient," no shortage of ad hominems there by the way, my efforts have been and shall remain directed at encouraging sound reasoning from the public voices in Elbert County.  While I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, where you come out in those assessments is mostly up to you. 
Sincerely,
Brooks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Robert,<br />
I used the word &#8220;chump&#8221; to characterize your opinion of the commissioners, not you.  I know it&#8217;s difficult for a leftist to distinguish the argument from the man, but, well, just keep working on that.  </p>
<p>I stand by my assessment that you are a leftist with an agenda.  Only you can say whether that is a positive or negative assessment, though I don&#8217;t think of it in those terms.  For example, I&#8217;m a conservative with an agenda.  Big deal.</p>
<p>I complained to the Secretary of State over what I believe to be ECDC electioneering activities contrary to Colorado statute.  You mischaracterized my complaint.</p>
<p>On open meetings and agendas, I expect the BOCC is within the letter of the law.  If you think the BOCC agendas should be more specific, then lobby for that change.  Complaining, after the fact, that an agenda item wasn&#8217;t more specific with regard to a particular issue is complaining about water under the bridge.  </p>
<p>On property rights and the TRW agenda, I find your stance for your own property rights to be inconsistent with your stance on other people&#8217;s property rights.  You trot out 5th Amendment takings talk when it suits you but ignore the 5th Am. when it comes to planning and zoning.  The Constitution isn&#8217;t situational.  It applies to all of us all of the time and you can&#8217;t cherry pick circumstances to apply it.</p>
<p>Last I looked you were a Democrat in favor of collecting the 1B sales and use tax and spending it on roads.  Difficult as it is to conceive of how someone could make the leap to &#8220;tax and spend Democrat&#8221; from those facts, color me guilty on that conclusion.</p>
<p>On &#8220;apolitical,&#8221; you changed your web page to read &#8220;nonpartisan.&#8221;  This is a distinction without a difference and the criticism stands.  If the shoe fits, wear it proudly.      </p>
<p>Our &#8220;system of government&#8221; is not founded on &#8220;argumentum ad ignorantium&#8221; or any other logical fallacy.  It is founded on the Common Law, on premises contained within the Declaration of Independence, and the system of legalities outlined in the Constitution.  &#8220;Innocent until proven guilty&#8221; refers to the burden of proof in criminal procedure and it makes a hell of a lot more sense than the French, and many other legal systems&#8217; principal of &#8220;guilty until proven innocent.&#8221;  </p>
<p>On the allegation that I am &#8220;often guilty of appealing to authority,&#8221; such appeals are only a fallacy when the authority is not in fact a governing authority for the matter.  I don&#8217;t believe I cite non-governing authorities but in any case, you&#8217;ll need to flesh out this allegation with some examples before I can respond in substance.</p>
<p>Dialog is not per se productive.  To be productive each person so engaged must substantively respond to what the other party represents, and then advance the conversation in a reasonable direction.  Mouthing words at another party without due diligence to the conversation amounts to propagandizing. </p>
<p>While you&#8217;re certainly free to characterize my comments as &#8220;sniping, put downs, cynicism, ideological rants, incongruous, and cognitively deficient,&#8221; no shortage of ad hominems there by the way, my efforts have been and shall remain directed at encouraging sound reasoning from the public voices in Elbert County.  While I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, where you come out in those assessments is mostly up to you.<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Brooks</p>
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		<title>Comment on cognitive dissonance by Robert Thomasson</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/08/28/cognitive-dissonance/#comment-7</link>
		<author>Robert Thomasson</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/08/28/cognitive-dissonance/#comment-7</guid>
		<description>You are a curious fellow, Brooks.  You are obviously bright and well educated.  I took 15 hours of logic as an undergrad and so I recognize and admire your Irving Copi / J.S. Mills approach to reason.  You have command of a healthy vocabulary.  You have a streak of libertarianism in you with shades of Ayn Rand.  That's why I am always so amazed when you use your intellect with such inconsistency.  You invoke argumentum ad hominem with Norm and then stoop to calling me names.  You have described me as a chump,   and as a leftist with an agenda.  You bring complaints against the commissioners for the ECDC contribution, but totally dismiss open meeting laws that require the BOCC put forth an agenda that has sufficient detail so that an inquiring public is able to participate in their civic responsibilities.  You criticize me for standing up for property rights in the TRW movement. Despite having no evidence to prove the fact, you would like me to be a "tax and spend Democrat" and yet you are frustrated with your own party for spending like a fools on a holiday.  You suggest that we claim to have all the answers, yet all we profess is that we believe that people should become more involved.  The Superslab solves no transportation problem.  How many studies have you read that suggest that it does?  I have three that say that it doesn't.  I did not do the studies Brooks, they were done by state transportation agencies.  I have no desire to attack your work, and I respect your mind, but lately, you just come off as angry (my opinion).  You appear to be stuck.  You are unwilling or unable to admit mistakes.  Unsure to what I am referring?  Apolitical.  I am political and so is abe.  I thought about your accusations and changed the page weeks ago because of your thoughts and  readers (including you) were not getting the humor of the statement.  Not every idea  I have is a good one.  I don't own the truth.  I side with what Plato said about wisdom: Admit only to that of which you know.  I have no idea if any of this will get through to you, but I leave you with two thoughts.  First, logic is a two way street and our system of government is actually founded on a logical fallacy, argumentum ad ignorantiam.  Innocent until proven guilty is as strange as proving the existence of ghosts.  My point: don't confuse logic with being correct.  Secondly, you are often guilty of argumentum ad verecundiam (appealing to authority) as most of us are from time to time.  I may be wrong but you act as if your criticism of others ability to reason is justified because you can cite authorities.  As a Greek poet once said, "If being able to grow a goatee makes you wise, then goats are philosophers." A dialog is productive.  Sniping is not.  I was reading your stuff because I admire thinkers, but now you just seem interested in put downs, cynicism and ideologocical rants(mostly other peoples thoughts).  I am certain none of this interests you very much and I expect it to continue.  Incongruous? Cognitively deficient?  Perhaps, perhaps not.  Good luck with your vision.
Robert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a curious fellow, Brooks.  You are obviously bright and well educated.  I took 15 hours of logic as an undergrad and so I recognize and admire your Irving Copi / J.S. Mills approach to reason.  You have command of a healthy vocabulary.  You have a streak of libertarianism in you with shades of Ayn Rand.  That&#8217;s why I am always so amazed when you use your intellect with such inconsistency.  You invoke argumentum ad hominem with Norm and then stoop to calling me names.  You have described me as a chump,   and as a leftist with an agenda.  You bring complaints against the commissioners for the ECDC contribution, but totally dismiss open meeting laws that require the BOCC put forth an agenda that has sufficient detail so that an inquiring public is able to participate in their civic responsibilities.  You criticize me for standing up for property rights in the TRW movement. Despite having no evidence to prove the fact, you would like me to be a &#8220;tax and spend Democrat&#8221; and yet you are frustrated with your own party for spending like a fools on a holiday.  You suggest that we claim to have all the answers, yet all we profess is that we believe that people should become more involved.  The Superslab solves no transportation problem.  How many studies have you read that suggest that it does?  I have three that say that it doesn&#8217;t.  I did not do the studies Brooks, they were done by state transportation agencies.  I have no desire to attack your work, and I respect your mind, but lately, you just come off as angry (my opinion).  You appear to be stuck.  You are unwilling or unable to admit mistakes.  Unsure to what I am referring?  Apolitical.  I am political and so is abe.  I thought about your accusations and changed the page weeks ago because of your thoughts and  readers (including you) were not getting the humor of the statement.  Not every idea  I have is a good one.  I don&#8217;t own the truth.  I side with what Plato said about wisdom: Admit only to that of which you know.  I have no idea if any of this will get through to you, but I leave you with two thoughts.  First, logic is a two way street and our system of government is actually founded on a logical fallacy, argumentum ad ignorantiam.  Innocent until proven guilty is as strange as proving the existence of ghosts.  My point: don&#8217;t confuse logic with being correct.  Secondly, you are often guilty of argumentum ad verecundiam (appealing to authority) as most of us are from time to time.  I may be wrong but you act as if your criticism of others ability to reason is justified because you can cite authorities.  As a Greek poet once said, &#8220;If being able to grow a goatee makes you wise, then goats are philosophers.&#8221; A dialog is productive.  Sniping is not.  I was reading your stuff because I admire thinkers, but now you just seem interested in put downs, cynicism and ideologocical rants(mostly other peoples thoughts).  I am certain none of this interests you very much and I expect it to continue.  Incongruous? Cognitively deficient?  Perhaps, perhaps not.  Good luck with your vision.<br />
Robert</p>
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		<title>Comment on party trumps chumps by bi</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/10/27/party-trumps-chumps/#comment-6</link>
		<author>bi</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/10/27/party-trumps-chumps/#comment-6</guid>
		<description>The countdown of seconds, minutes, hours and days left in the current BOCC ongoing at www.abe21.net must have confused me about the TRW's opinion of this BOCC.  

And what of the pro-1B voices who remain strangely silent on the systemic growth trend in county revenues and spending that would continue without a tax increase?  Those background increases would amply cover road and bridge improvements expected to be the object of 1B funds, which flyers indicate will be reconstructing marginal 1-lane bridges out in the Bijou.  Yep, fixing those 1-laners with traffic loads of a couple cars a week will go a long way toward making us all a lot safer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The countdown of seconds, minutes, hours and days left in the current BOCC ongoing at <a href="http://www.abe21.net" rel="nofollow">www.abe21.net</a> must have confused me about the TRW&#8217;s opinion of this BOCC.  </p>
<p>And what of the pro-1B voices who remain strangely silent on the systemic growth trend in county revenues and spending that would continue without a tax increase?  Those background increases would amply cover road and bridge improvements expected to be the object of 1B funds, which flyers indicate will be reconstructing marginal 1-lane bridges out in the Bijou.  Yep, fixing those 1-laners with traffic loads of a couple cars a week will go a long way toward making us all a lot safer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on party trumps chumps by Robert Thomasson</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/10/27/party-trumps-chumps/#comment-5</link>
		<author>Robert Thomasson</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/10/27/party-trumps-chumps/#comment-5</guid>
		<description>B.I., I Think you have misstated one thing,  we do not feel disdain for our BOCC.  We do have disdain for secrecy and the general lack of transparency with which they operate.  As it states in the passage you cited, we would not need a tax increase at all if a proportionate and appropriate amount were allotted for roads and bridges.  Our belief that people's safety is being jeopardized is the trump card.  Thanks for staying up with community issues.  If all citizens were as attentive as you are being, we would have a better Elbert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B.I., I Think you have misstated one thing,  we do not feel disdain for our BOCC.  We do have disdain for secrecy and the general lack of transparency with which they operate.  As it states in the passage you cited, we would not need a tax increase at all if a proportionate and appropriate amount were allotted for roads and bridges.  Our belief that people&#8217;s safety is being jeopardized is the trump card.  Thanks for staying up with community issues.  If all citizens were as attentive as you are being, we would have a better Elbert.</p>
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		<title>Comment on apolitical by bi</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/10/21/apolitical/#comment-4</link>
		<author>bi</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/10/21/apolitical/#comment-4</guid>
		<description>Thank you and thanks for your work at abe21.net.  Though I disagree with many conclusions made there, I appreciate the fact-finding and publication efforts.  I'll sign a post when expressing my own opinion, however, most of what I post consists of reposting already-public information.  I hope the information that I pull together here contributes to sound reasoning, defensible conclusions, and good policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you and thanks for your work at abe21.net.  Though I disagree with many conclusions made there, I appreciate the fact-finding and publication efforts.  I&#8217;ll sign a post when expressing my own opinion, however, most of what I post consists of reposting already-public information.  I hope the information that I pull together here contributes to sound reasoning, defensible conclusions, and good policy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on apolitical by Robert Thomasson</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/10/21/apolitical/#comment-3</link>
		<author>Robert Thomasson</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/10/21/apolitical/#comment-3</guid>
		<description>Nice site! Thanks for taking the time to view abe21.net. I am a democrat on the board of the High Plains Coalition for Responsible Transportation Policy.  Half of our membership is Republican.  A Better Elbert is apolitical.  Thanks for pointing that out. Hey, why all of the secrecy on who you are? Interestingly enough your quick posting about who has made a contribution to the transportation initiative gave you away.  
Robert Thomasson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice site! Thanks for taking the time to view abe21.net. I am a democrat on the board of the High Plains Coalition for Responsible Transportation Policy.  Half of our membership is Republican.  A Better Elbert is apolitical.  Thanks for pointing that out. Hey, why all of the secrecy on who you are? Interestingly enough your quick posting about who has made a contribution to the transportation initiative gave you away.<br />
Robert Thomasson</p>
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		<title>Comment on 1st transp meeting by Rottweiler</title>
		<link>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/08/16/1st-elco-transpo-meeting-record/#comment-2</link>
		<author>Rottweiler</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://elbertcounty.net/blog/2007/08/16/1st-elco-transpo-meeting-record/#comment-2</guid>
		<description>If a transportation master plan is required to obtain federal grant money then by all means develop a master plan that will pass muster in Washington D.C.. I spent over 26 years involved in big city government and I can tell you that the ability to obtain federal money is critical. Yes it does come with strings attached, like performance deadlines, regular reports and reams of paperwork, but in the end you get the money, and isn't that what its really all about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a transportation master plan is required to obtain federal grant money then by all means develop a master plan that will pass muster in Washington D.C.. I spent over 26 years involved in big city government and I can tell you that the ability to obtain federal money is critical. Yes it does come with strings attached, like performance deadlines, regular reports and reams of paperwork, but in the end you get the money, and isn&#8217;t that what its really all about?</p>
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